World Youth Chess Championship

[Kerry Liles]

Some players are out of first three place in CYCC,Some don't go CYCC, are they still qualify to go?
Does CFC change rule for WYCC?

Not very many people read this forum - you might want to start a new thread on the main section... I believe your questions deserve some answers.

[Michael Barron]

Some players are out of first three place in CYCC,Some don't go CYCC, are they still qualify to go?
Does CFC change rule for WYCC?

No, the CFC didn't change rules for WYCC.
But there are no rules without exceptions...

Every additional player, who applied personally, was considered by the CFC Youth Committee, and if their participation at WYCC was deemed benefitial for Canadian chess, was allowed to participate.
All additional players' expenses are fully covered by their parents and don't affect CFC in any way.

Does anybody has a problem with such approach?

[John Coleman]

Every additional player, who applied personally, was considered by the CFC Youth Committee, and if their participation at WYCC was deemed benefitial for Canadian chess, was allowed to participate.
All additional players' expenses are fully covered by their parents and don't affect CFC in any way.

Does anybody has a problem with such approach?

Not withstanding that WYCC is an open event (anyone can enter, thru their national federation), I believe if we are going to have a qualifying tournament, then "extra players" should have to make a very good case indeed. VERY good.

I am no longer a member of the Youth Committee, so I don't know what arguments and persuasions were brought forward.

For the record, these are the placings of the "additional players" at CYCC Windsor 2010.

Additional players:
Boys u-16 Jerry Xiong (tie 3rd)
Boys u-16 Michael Kleinman (tie 3rd)
Boys u-14 David Itkin (4th)
Boys u-12 Edward Song (tie 1st)
Boys u-12 John Doknjas (tie 12th)
Boys u-10 Jason Cao (tie 1st)
Boys u-10 Joseph Bellissimo (didn't play at CYCC)
Girls u-14 Rebecca Giblon (tie 2nd)
Girls u-12 Melissa Giblon (3rd)
Girls u-10 Minya Bai (2nd)
Girls u-10 Janet Peng (tie 4th)
Girls u-08 Nicole Birarov (tie 2nd)
Girls u-08 Catherine Gao (tie 2nd)

[jack qian]

Not withstanding that WYCC is an open event (anyone can enter, thru their national federation), I believe if we are going to have a qualifying tournament, then "extra players" should have to make a very good case indeed. VERY good.

I am no longer a member of the Youth Committee, so I don't know what arguments and persuasions were brought forward.

For the record, these are the placings of the "additional players" at CYCC Windsor 2010.

Additional players:
Boys u-16 Jerry Xiong (tie 3rd)
Boys u-16 Michael Kleinman (tie 3rd)
Boys u-14 David Itkin (4th)
Boys u-12 Edward Song (tie 1st)
Boys u-12 John Doknjas (tie 12th)
Boys u-10 Jason Cao (tie 1st)
Boys u-10 Joseph Bellissimo (didn't play at CYCC)
Girls u-14 Rebecca Giblon (tie 2nd)
Girls u-12 Melissa Giblon (3rd)
Girls u-10 Minya Bai (2nd)
Girls u-10 Janet Peng (tie 4th)
Girls u-08 Nicole Birarov (tie 2nd)
Girls u-08 Catherine Gao (tie 2nd)

If anybody have no chance to win at CYCC.He don't need to go CYCC. Because they also can get additional player at WYCC???

[jack qian]

Not withstanding that WYCC is an open event (anyone can enter, thru their national federation), I believe if we are going to have a qualifying tournament, then "extra players" should have to make a very good case indeed. VERY good.

I am no longer a member of the Youth Committee, so I don't know what arguments and persuasions were brought forward.

For the record, these are the placings of the "additional players" at CYCC Windsor 2010.

Additional players:
Boys u-16 Jerry Xiong (tie 3rd)
Boys u-16 Michael Kleinman (tie 3rd)
Boys u-14 David Itkin (4th)
Boys u-12 Edward Song (tie 1st)
Boys u-12 John Doknjas (tie 12th)
Boys u-10 Jason Cao (tie 1st)
Boys u-10 Joseph Bellissimo (didn't play at CYCC)
Girls u-14 Rebecca Giblon (tie 2nd)
Girls u-12 Melissa Giblon (3rd)
Girls u-10 Minya Bai (2nd)
Girls u-10 Janet Peng (tie 4th)
Girls u-08 Nicole Birarov (tie 2nd)
Girls u-08 Catherine Gao (tie 2nd)

CFC: Especially Boys u-12 John Doknjas (tie 12th) and Boys u-10 Joseph Bellissimo (didn't play at CYCC)????? Why?

[Michael Barron]

CFC: Especially Boys u-12 John Doknjas (tie 12th) and Boys u-10 Joseph Bellissimo (didn't play at CYCC)????? Why?

Jack,

I wanted to avoid personal analysis, but if you insist...
Let's see:

Joseph Bellissimo
http://www.chess.ca/memberinfoSQL.asp?CFCN=147544

Rating: 1900
Canadian rank for U10: 1st
CFC rated tournaments in 2010: 10
Highest performance rating: 2125
2010 OYCC U10B: 1st place (5/5)


Jack Qian
http://www.chess.ca/memberinfoSQL.asp?CFCN=146828

Rating: 1622
Canadian rank for U14: not in top 50
CFC rated tournaments in 2010: 3
Highest performance rating: 1792
2010 BC Provincials Gr 7: 5th place (3/5)


Do you see the difference?

[John Coleman]

Michael, this is entirely unfair. Jack Qian is asking why Joseph Belissimo, who did not play in the CYCC, is on the Canadian team for Greece. Either CYCC is the qualifying tournament, or it isn't. Not withstanding Joseph's skill at chess, if he didn't play in the qualifying tournament, why was he selected?

The same question could be asked about three other "additional players", who did not meet the qualifying standard. Why were they selected?

Jack Qian's skill level is irrelevant.

[jack qian]

Michael, this is entirely unfair. Jack Qian is asking why Joseph Belissimo, who did not play in the CYCC, is on the Canadian team for Greece. Either CYCC is the qualifying tournament, or it isn't. Not withstanding Joseph's skill at chess, if he didn't play in the qualifying tournament, why was he selected?

The same question could be asked about three other "additional players", who did not meet the qualifying standard. Why were they selected?

Jack Qian's skill level is irrelevant.

John Coleman, your idea is my idea too.

[jack qian]

Jack,

I wanted to avoid personal analysis, but if you insist...
Let's see:

Joseph Bellissimo
http://www.chess.ca/memberinfoSQL.asp?CFCN=147544

Rating: 1900
Canadian rank for U10: 1st
CFC rated tournaments in 2010: 10
Highest performance rating: 2125
2010 OYCC U10B: 1st place (5/5)


Jack Qian
http://www.chess.ca/memberinfoSQL.asp?CFCN=146828

Rating: 1622
Canadian rank for U14: not in top 50
CFC rated tournaments in 2010: 3
Highest performance rating: 1792
2010 BC Provincials Gr 7: 5th place (3/5)


Do you see the difference?

Michael, don't angry. take it easy. We just talk about event, not toward you

High rating doesn't means skill is high. Some high rating players play more tournament,So his rating is more. In CYCC there are many plays beat high rating player. Michael,Is it true?

[jack qian]

Jack,

I wanted to avoid personal analysis, but if you insist...
Let's see:

Joseph Bellissimo
http://www.chess.ca/memberinfoSQL.asp?CFCN=147544

Rating: 1900
Canadian rank for U10: 1st
CFC rated tournaments in 2010: 10
Highest performance rating: 2125
2010 OYCC U10B: 1st place (5/5)


Jack Qian
http://www.chess.ca/memberinfoSQL.asp?CFCN=146828

Rating: 1622
Canadian rank for U14: not in top 50
CFC rated tournaments in 2010: 3
Highest performance rating: 1792
2010 BC Provincials Gr 7: 5th place (3/5)


Do you see the difference?

I think this is first time to allow unqualifid player to go to WYCC.
I think many players will imitate it after this year.