NAYCC 2025 Bids May 4 deadline for submission of bids to CFC

[Vladimir Drkulec]

Any bidders interested in hosting NAYCC 2025 will need to submit their bids to the CFC within six weeks or by May 4th. Acceptance of any bid will be at the discretion of the CFC. Any bid should include some provision to support the CFC youth fund. Bidders shall be required to provide a detailed budget of revenues, expenses and expected profits. FIDE America or the CCA is the sanctioning body and each bidder will need to provide approximately $20 USD to the CCA per player. Your local tourism bureau will be able to assist you in creating the bid and may provide some subsidy. With proper marketing, the tournament should attract approximately 300 to 450 players or more.

There are requirements for the organizers to provide a total of up to 36 official players (twelve each for each of the three countries of Canada, U.S. and Mexico as well as heads of delegation for each delegation) an allowance for food and accommodation. You will need to provide 60% of the cost of accommodation based on double occupancy according to the latest regulations. There are also requirements that players with rights (last year's champions) will also be provided with food and accommodation. Detailed requirements can be found on the CCA website. Bids have to be submitted to CCA by the CFC. You cannot apply directly. You should have an international arbiter in order to be able to run this tournament as there are direct titles awarded to the winners and runners up.

You can contact the CFC if you would like more details.

Competition rules can be found on the FIDE America website below.

Bids should be sent to CFC Secretary Lyle Craver.

https://fideamerica.net/site/en/regu...competiciones/

[Fred McKim]

Hi Vlad.

Maybe we should clarify if the deadline is in 6 weeks or June 4, as they do not align.

Fred

[Vladimir Drkulec]

Hi Vlad.

Maybe we should clarify if the deadline is in 6 weeks or June 4, as they do not align.

Fred

This is what happens when you do things in the evening when you are tired. Deadline is May 4th, 2024.

[Hal Bond]

For all your appalling behaviour regarding the 2025 NAYCC Vlad, I suppose I should thank you because the regulations have changed effective January 2024. I will forward the new regs to the Secretary. Obviously our original bid is off the table.

Instead of $20USD per player to CCA, the number is now $40USD for official players and $60USD for additional players.

Your insistence on a detailed budget is also out of place. There is nothing in the CCA regulations about the need for a budget. The hosting obligations are somewhere between 39 and 75 people, for 5-6 days. Such is the risk which organizers must accept to stage this tournament. This risk is heightened because the USCF charged their players a $200USD admin fee to attend the NAYCC in Mexico 2023 (not so for Calgary) and likewise for the World Schools in Peru. Likely this practice will persist in 2025. Not sure what that will did to future demand.

Meanwhile, the CFC's 20% cut of the CCA head tax already stands to increase by almost 300% in light of their new fees. The implication that organizers must be held to account for unfairly enriching themselves is, um, a little rich.

I want to trust you and your team but history keeps teaching me otherwise. Your handling of bids in general is beyond inadequate. Good luck.

[Hal Bond]

One small correction. While the CCA reg's do not mention a budget, I just got a copy of their bid form which does call for an approximate one, which I take to mean less than detailed. Given the variability of the hosting obligations I don't know what this would even look like, but it is on their form.

[Vladimir Drkulec]

For all your appalling behaviour regarding the 2025 NAYCC Vlad, I suppose I should thank you because the regulations have changed effective January 2024. I will forward the new regs to the Secretary. Obviously our original bid is off the table.

From your point of view my behaviour is appalling because I declined to favour your bid above all others and allow you to submit a bid without any other bidders. If that is appalling then we have a different definition for the word. Interesting that you posted this while I was busy with the Candidates tournaments and you knew I would be too busy to see this.

Instead of $20USD per player to CCA, the number is now $40USD for official players and $60USD for additional players.

We await CCA informing us instead of some random Canadian of any changes in the regulations which were not posted on their website as late as two weeks ago.

Your insistence on a detailed budget is also out of place. There is nothing in the CCA regulations about the need for a budget.

That is a CFC requirement and not a CCA requirement. It is also a requirement from most reputable sporting organizations. If you are incapable of producing such a budget, I suggest that you ask your local sport tourism bureau as they are more than capable of producing one for you.

The hosting obligations are somewhere between 39 and 75 people, for 5-6 days. Such is the risk which organizers must accept to stage this tournament. This risk is heightened because the USCF charged their players a $200USD admin fee to attend the NAYCC in Mexico 2023 (not so for Calgary) and likewise for the World Schools in Peru. Likely this practice will persist in 2025. Not sure what that will did to future demand.
[Meanwhile, the CFC's 20% cut of the CCA head tax already stands to increase by almost 300% in light of their new fees.

What is your connection to the CCA and why are they telling you this, and not the relevant CFC officials?

The implication that organizers must be held to account for unfairly enriching themselves is, um, a little rich.

"The wicked flee where no man pursueth."

I want to trust you and your team but history keeps teaching me otherwise. Your handling of bids in general is beyond inadequate. Good luck.

We will be fine.

[Egidijus Zeromskis]

We await CCA informing us instead of some random Canadian of any changes in the regulations which were not posted on their website as late as two weeks ago.

Did anyone from the CFC participated in the General Assembly of the CCA of 2023? https://fideamerica.net/site/en/llam...iciembre-2023/
With what happened there https://fideamerica.net/site/en/asam...-america-2023/

3. Actualización de Regulaciones Financieras y de Torneos: Se aprobó la actualización de las Regulaciones Financieras y de Torneos, fortaleciendo el marco que guía las actividades de FIDE América.
google translation:
"3. Update of Financial and Tournament Regulations: The update of the Financial and Tournament Regulations was approved, strengthening the framework that guides the activities of FIDE America."

Seems almost four months passed...


The website holds only a five-year-old regulations. https://fideamerica.net/site/en/regu...s-financieras/

[Hal Bond]

Thanks Egis - you did this the hard way! I am often frustrated by the CCA website so I just wrote to Secretary Celi and asked for the latest regs.

[Vladimir Drkulec]

Clearly everyone that I have talked to about NAYCC was informed that we thought that a substantial payment to the youth fund was warranted. You cannot claim that such elements of your bid are proprietary as those proprietary elements that I cared about appeared in bids from people that I did not talk to. This is not rocket science. I have given everyone a similar first email to the one I gave you. We can agree to disagree.

[Hal Bond]

I need to correct one of my statements. The hosting obligations for this tournament include 12 players plus an HoD per Federation, totalling 39 people. In addition, the previous year's champions are entitled to free room and board (or 60% thereof), and that is only another 12 people, not 36. My bad. So the total exposure is 39+12 = 51 people.

It may be worthwhile checking with the USCF about their $200 surcharge. If that remains in force it could reduce the US participation.

In any case, I hope the bidding and the event goes well. The new CCA fees are a bit of a shock.